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Post by CrucifiedDionysus on Aug 28, 2014 19:05:17 GMT
I figure this is perhaps the best way to sort of introduce one's "self.". So here is a list of "authors"...
Friedrich Nietzsche, Georges Bataille (obviously), Walter Benjamin, Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, R.D. Laing, Laud Humphreys, Malcolm X, Alvin Gouldner, Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, Norman Denzin, Andy Warhol, Hunter S. Thompson, Rick James, Marilyn Manson, Tupac, Amanda Palmer, Pastor Troy, Bizarre, and Gucci Mane (FREE GUCCI MANE)
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Post by 8a on Aug 31, 2014 1:36:18 GMT
I like your list!!! Did not recognize some of those people, but the ones I did recognize I like very much.
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Post by RousseauYrPanties on Sept 2, 2014 6:13:44 GMT
I figure this is perhaps the best way to sort of introduce one's "self.". So here is a list of "authors"... Friedrich Nietzsche, Georges Bataille (obviously), Walter Benjamin, Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, R.D. Laing, Laud Humphreys, Malcolm X, Alvin Gouldner, Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, Norman Denzin, Andy Warhol, Hunter S. Thompson, Rick James, Marilyn Manson, Tupac, Amanda Palmer, Pastor Troy, Bizarre, and Gucci Mane (FREE GUCCI MANE) FREE GUCCI I guess as philosophical as I get would be Kanye West.
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Post by CrucifiedDionysus on Sept 5, 2014 17:23:22 GMT
"They say I'm too flamboyant. I say they're malnutritioned." - Gucci
There are various Nietzschean themes within rap. Kanye's got a pretty kick ass song with "Black Skinhead" though too. (Love the pseudo-sample of Manson's "The Beautiful People" on that one.
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Post by Alex Forsberg on Sept 7, 2014 11:43:31 GMT
Are you by chance a Sociology major, G?
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Post by CrucifiedDionysus on Sept 9, 2014 8:25:51 GMT
yep
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Post by RousseauYrPanties on Sept 10, 2014 20:34:44 GMT
I have very little understanding of Nietzsche, so it's very superficial knowledge, but my understanding is that Ye is very much saying that Man did indeed kill God and now has to place himself in that pedestal. Is that what you happen to mean Satyr
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Post by Alex Forsberg on Sept 10, 2014 21:45:14 GMT
along with god, the pedestal itself has supposedly disintegrated. "God is dead" does not merely refer to the Christian deity, or deities in general, but the validity of humanity's metaphysical disposition as a whole. Bataille appears to be one of the first major thinkers to have embraced this "death of God" at a level that delves beyond the intellect. Indeed, such a "death" can only truly be realized gutturally, through complete, unconscious embodiment. It is far beyond simply "becoming a god" yourself. If honestly pursued, one finds oneself becoming (as opposed to conscientiously, actively "becoming," which would ultimately just be more metaphysical farce) something along the lines of a Dionysian Satyr (at least in Nietzsche's poetic terms).
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Post by CrucifiedDionysus on Sept 11, 2014 9:46:34 GMT
I have very little understanding of Nietzsche, so it's very superficial knowledge, but my understanding is that Ye is very much saying that Man did indeed kill God and now has to place himself in that pedestal. Is that what you happen to mean Satyr First of all Michel Foucault covered Nietzsche well (no true Nietzacheanism... Just Nietzscheans." Bataille, Foucault, and Derrida are who I associate with a clear... even I'd slightly different Nietzschean styles. On the God dying deal. Yeah he said this but as Bataille points out Nietzsche's sacrifice of killing God and losing it reconstructed 'the crucified"... As Nietzsche's life very much was a sacrifice. Suddenly the letters of "madness" is seem like the natural conclusion of his work. Nietzsche also makes the enlightenment look foolish was one of the first to call out Spencer's social Darwinism ans predicated the many theoretical difficulties the field of Sociology the version Durkheim was hustling to university after university. Before or began he knew of its lack of reflexivity among many other critiques. I wish to point out that it is not all he said and at the same time it is like a version of what he'd often say. He saved us from analytical aka boring philosophy. A lot of people suggest he ended objectivity and the rule of reason. Essentially he was ahead of his time a bit and thus not in the mix much within the many fields until after he died. "What took Nietzsche's thought from him alsp opened it up to the rest of us" I believe Foucault adhered to that.
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Post by CrucifiedDionysus on Sept 11, 2014 17:04:47 GMT
Basically, the whole "God is dead" deal may have been a bigger deal in the past. Once that became less shocking, people may have been more apt to look further into Nietzsche and see the real transgression. Gods are easy to kill, as our idols. What he did in many ways what he did was provide a very specific voice for the outlier. Which I feel is perhaps the only ethical intellectual agenda, then again ethics like morals have yet to be socially trans-valued so fuck it I'll call em relative. For me Nietzsche's most important text is his later text. Twilight of the Idols, The Antichrist, The Will to Power, and yes even his so-called "letters of madness." It was in the signatures of these various letters where we see the Nietzschean project complete and finally achieve its goal of overcoming the rabble of this very boring concrete rough modern boring scientific approach to existence. He does that by ending Kant and the Enlightenment. Many people will say I'm making too broad of a claim, but it is not just mine as I had mentioned Foucault's statement about Nietzsche essentially being a paradigmatic revolution on his own. Nietzsche, and I think both Bataille and Foucault would have agreed, and even Derrida, was THE ANTICHRIST for modernity in that he was a an anti-rational messianic figure. His Dionysian refusal to sacrifice for guilt never ruled out the sacrifice that was living the way he did as well as constantly transgressing his own limits constantly. We are talking about a man who was told to stop writing due to the severe head pain of which powerful opiates were necessary and still not kill it. Yet that same man would go into manic writing modes (and I use the term manic in a proud sense, as I'm in no way endorsing any psychological theory on bipolar disorder, on that issue I stand with Sheen, bi-winning) and write through the pain for insane amounts of time. What did he get for his very Christ like suffering. Isolation. Alienation of his own work by idiotic anti-Semites and proto-Nazis. Nietzsche is a Dionysian Christ figure though... keep in mind Dionysus was crucified as well. Read the letters, some are signed Caesar, some are signed Dionysus, some are signed the Crucified. In his autobiography his last question is "have I been understood Dionysus v/s the Crucified." The answer at the very moment in time he asked that was clearly "no." Not just due to his lack of publicity and understanding, but because he didn't even grasp the psycho-sociological force that is what Derrida would later call "Deconstruction." In a sense, Nietzsche's one of the greatest scientists of all time considering the discovery he actually made. Darwin's little abstraction was not as mind blowing as our history reports it. Imagine being the first person to be able to see a process of deprocess that is both working in the same and opposite directions. We are outside of 2D text for sure. I imagine it would cause hallucinations perhaps. Personally, I know that if I get to over analyzing in a Deconstructive fashion I will eventually temporarily literally LOSE LANGUAGE. At such moments I am not sure if I am more authentic or somehow panicked over not being able to represent. I've felt both ways during those moments my inner experience leaves "words" behind and my own thoughts are gibberish and sound foreign to me. Derrida and other deconstructive authors have mentioned similar issues as it makes an individual become capable of being multi-perspective but this includes perspectives that we may not have known existed like Turin Collapse or abscess seizure, but the medical docs are usually wrong on all that. Only Dr. House was a skilled doctor. After the Turin collapse and the questionable existence of feeling empathy with a horse, Nietzsche was dead... and he had killed him. Bataille points this out as Nietzsche's sacrifice. Once the actual aimless social process of deconstruction is seen, especially outside of text within the sociological reality, one's mind has some serious reactions. I've had various conversations with people about the substance DMT and what they called 5D/Third Eye experience. If I had not read Bataille, I may never have grasped any of this, as it was in "On Nietzsche" that various sections stood out to me... especially the appendix on Nietzsche and limitlessness, as a sort of reverse zen or something. I actually happened to be reading said appendix while having a 5D psychedelic discussion while entirely sober, that means not even a beer. When I finally saw the DISSOLUTION of MY intersubjectivity I felt various physical and mental reactions that I would later be told is the same as tripping on DMT. There is a tingling rush feeling that feels like it is running up the spine over the top of the skull and down into the center of one's brain. This points to Pineal gland, which is naturally connected with the DMT that our own bodies produce. The tingling sensation increases exponentially. Suddenly one gets what Bataille seemed so torn up about while also being so excited about. One may chuckle and weep at the same time and absolutely NOT know how to interpret or give meaning to these bodily functions. Fairly quickly, one's visionary field begins to go white and time no longer seems to exist as its purely subjective nature is experienced. It is a made up construct that we treat like scientific law. Anyway for someone taking DMT it only lasts like 5 minutes. For someone like me who had it as the result of reading Bataille's text and really feeling for the first time in my fucking life that I had read an author who suffered the same intellectual path I did. Sure I was already well aware of Nietzsche, but Nietzsche is much more of a gang member or a cheerleader, depending on your social context. Bataille was the first author that I know of, who I would feel comfortable saying was able to grab something meaningful from Nietzsche's so-called madness. I never had even considered that a theoretical or philosophical text would ever make me feel something strong at all, much yet give me such an extreme of feeling just due to reading. When the words went but I could still hear inner gibberish, I was terrified. I thought I was off for that the final last trip to the nuthouse. To this day there is something that speaks to me from beyond my realm in Bataille's text. Nietzsche's text is profound but also very fun due to its extreme disrespect for normative standards. Yet I've only gotten trapped in that scary place when I resisted it. My thoughts became deoncstruction perhaps. Everything I saw I could see underneath in a half metaphorical use of said term. I was in shock really. Once that ended I began to study such experiences. They did tend to occur in extreme moments, which gives valid to Foucault. If one can handle the summit and the dive off the cliff... follow this barely weeded out path left by Bataille and Nietzsche. I keep meaning to find another route, but I'm just so in awe of my own experience, why give that up for rationalization? Anyway I hope that ramble is helpful, you're reading someone who often forgets every single word he ever fucking knew so a slight break would be nice lol. Nietzsche is a rupture point in history where deconstruction was discovered, it would be enhanced by Derrida later. This is the most important contribution of Nietzsche when I think about it. It is sacrificial, I entirely plan on losing my mind one day... who wants that annoying fucking thing anyway... most of the time its neurotic. I hope it is farther down the line but if i am able to discover something on par with what I've been talking about, I may collapse right here as I type. Sure God is dead, but I'd never agree with Richard Dawkins on that. Fuck him. and his contributions to religious atheism and all his other over-simplistic bull shit. The burden does fall on our generation, because I highly doubt the next one has a better chance and this past one didn't do shit to change the system radically. The kicker is that it is deconstruction that acts as a type of auto-sociological cleaning device. There positivist thinkers... your universal law is deconstruction. (Back to my main point, this is what is important about Nietzsche's work to me... that intellectual transgressive trajectory. The God Nietzsche actually killed (shh but don't tell anyone yet because the zombies in lab coats do not know they're dead yet) was the god of Scientism and Rationality and even Durkheim's social theory on anomie and such. After Nietzsche if we consider human history like building a house... Nietzsche makes us ask, were the people before this guy competent at all? ?
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Post by CrucifiedDionysus on Sept 12, 2014 2:51:00 GMT
let em know bizzy! lol bizarre is like the rap genres Bataille for his pride in transgression
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